1) It wasnt hundreds of thousands of them that were put to work. And this is how blacks ended up with Irish last names. (no scotch-irish has no irish blood in them at all,they are descendants of Scotland and England whom were given land in Northern Ireland by the English crown..they kicked out and burnt down real irish villages to establish their land in the north with the backing, again of the crown!!!!! Where can I learn more about Irish names? Lets also not confuse slavery with meaning only chattel slavery. Since the black slavery prevailed, likely it was worse. Famous OSullivans include actress Maureen OSullivan, actor Richard OSullivan, and singer Gilbert OSullivan. A brief history the movements of Celts across Europe. I always wondered why so many African Americans had the same last name as I did when I was single. Dunne 28. So if Irish slave girls intercoursed with black slave men, how did the Irish names carry through? fulfilling government and community contracts for various agencies varying from state to state. It depend ends on how you look at it!!!!!!! plenty an irish female married black african men. In Gaelic, the Irish native language, the word for black (or dark) is dubh, and foreigner is gall. Dubhthaigh, anglicized to Duffy, comes from an Irish name meaning black or swarthy. Jim Crow laws where formulated to keep Blacks in their place, not the Irish. Ireland has rather bloody history like these regions of Africa. I want to thank everyone for reading my postit was a topic Ive been pondering for a while..I was tired of being asked the same questions over and over..your last name is Irish but you are black. From 1641 to 1652, over 500,000 Irish were killed by the English and another 300,000 were sold as slaves. The Irish were hated because they were catholics. Actress Lauren Graham is one of the most famous Grahams. The truth is, you are an Israelite. Records state that, after the 1798 Irish Rebellion, thousands of Irish slaves were sold to both America and Australia. Two of the most famous Gallaghers are brothers and bandmates of Oasis fame, Liam and Noel Gallagher. A quick review of Irish history reveals that the island was. Wealthy irish were Protestants who were placed there by England to control and rule the Native population. Not all of them were slave owners, not all were wealthy or priviledged or educated. As far as Irish slaves being treated worse than African slaves, not true. It is unlikely that the exact origin of the term will ever be known and it is also likely that it has had a number of different iterations, depending on the historical context. One last point, as a professor in irish studies.here are some accredited sources on irish slavery, you shouldnt get your sources from Wikipedia or any other non accredited website!!!!!! Black (surname) Black is a surname which can be of either English, Scottish, Irish or French origin. get your facts right, [] Why blacks have Irish last names. If I had to hazard a guess, Id say familiarity. The Counter-Revolution of 1776: slave resistance and the origins of the United States of America. And yes, it is as long as its title.Im still trying to wade through it. Black Dutch (genealogy) Black Dutch is a term with several different meanings in United States dialect and slang. Its a shame that people can create whole new histories. I have some European and native American ancestry, but I claim African American only!!! Dingle is English but common in Ireland. The term 'Black Irish' gets thrown around from time to time. Ive often had arguments on the very same topic, because blacks have claimed slavery as our own. Famous Sheehans include bass guitarist Billy Sheehan and American writer Susan Sheehan. Yet, let me put it this way, why does it seem like every black person wants to deny irish history? And he made a profit out of it. Since enslaved blacks did not have last names at the time the Civil War ended, many were catalogued on freedmens lists and forced to adopt last names. I have about 3 lines of my family in which this happened.. At what point did marrying an Irish person stop being illegal and considered bestiality? While the Irish did not have it good they had much better circumstances than slaves. It was not until Darwin that the belief that physical traits identified race. * Originally published 2013. They served for an agreed amount of time (usually seven years), the agreements were not always honored. Its really amazing to see once you notice it. Why would you even mention those in the same breath? The difference being, that African Americans are one of the oldests ethnic groups in America, and the majority of Irish being relatively new. Well than do research and prove yourself right instead of arguing out of not knowing. Or was the heaten allowed to do this in a kind of prophetic way? They were owned by an Irish family. Scot-Irish synonymous with Ulster Scots of partitioned Ireland not natives of Ireland in the recent sense of this discussion. Famous people with the surname Connolly include comedian Billy Connolly and musician Brian Connolly. We know all too well the atrocities of the African slave trade. I was crying, but I wouldnt changed the colors of how I seen Jesus. African Americans where emancipated because they needed it. A quick review of Irish history reveals that the island was subject to a number of influxes of foreign cultures. The most prominent O'Conors were the Connacht clan of O'Conor . Love Irish history? Wilson 27. The terminology is important, which has been duly noted and exaggerated on both ends of the discussion. English actress, singer, and television personality Claire Sweeney is the most famous person with the surname Sweeney. No, they liked they Irish accents so much that they took on the names out of respect. The mental gymnastics required to equate having Irish last names and black Americans with the Irish having been slaves right along side us is astounding. http://theirishwereslavestoo.tumblr.com/post/120600939730/debunked-the-global-research-article-on-irish, Maybe those books can help youtheres many more, this is not something made up by one person on one website. The slaves that came over from Ireland where already black. The term is commonly used to describe people of Irish origin who have dark features, black hair, a dark complexion and dark eyes. Natives did not participate in the slave trade. Africa is a huge continent. Cromwells cruelty was a race and ethnic cleansing..ridding the Kingdom of the remnants of its ancient Black population. What utter pointless nonsense is this!? Africa was named after a so-called white man by the name of Scipio Africanus. The english continued to try to extinguish the Irish through starvation, oppression etc in Ireland. Copyright 2023 Irish Studio LLC All rights reserved. English landowners would literally pay pirates to come and raid entire villages on the Irish land they owned, to get rid of the renters so the landowner could do as he wished with the land. I added the Facebook icon to my blog so you can share the link. From Irish Deoradhin meaning "descendant of Deoradhn", where Deoradhn is a given name meaning "exile, wanderer". Most of these people in america are full of hate poisoned by their governments through their food, water and air. Irish toponymic surnames, deriving from a place where the original name bearer once lived, are rare. Throughout history, all nations and races are guilty of slavery. So ran another search on that and got this: http://www.libraryireland.com/names/od/o-dubhdaleithe.php. They live as second class citizens and are called red-legs and red-necks etc by the rest of the population due to their fair skins getting burned by the sun. Irish slaves were still white. Maybe blacks were named because they didnt speak english! The Merchant Princes of Belfast (West India Traders) where rebuked by Thomas McCabe the Watchmaker of North Street for attempting to establish the slave trade there. are streets are a lot safer for kids to grow up thats a fact gangs of kids running about with guns you wont get that hear unless its the paramilatarys, I agree with people that dont want to be called African american, who were never born in Africa, I refuse to be called black because my skin is brown, I believe the calling of our race black is to degrade us because there is belief that whomever picked the name of the brown indigenous people from Africa named the race black because it was the most negative color, many of the Irish expelled to the New World were Black Irish. Britains solution was to auction them off as well. It started with a video of the Black Irish of Montserrat. Thank you for this information. my mother in law was called Shanks, we are Irish from the north of Ireland. Des Ekins The Stolen Village is about the village of Baltimore where this in particular happened. Originating from France, the Normans were a primitive, powerful group of fighters who were first welcomed to the Emerald Isle, led by Dermot McMurrough, a king of Leinster (one of the islands four provinces) in Ireland. This is not new information, I have always known about this since I was a small child, my family has always spoke about it, we always wondered why the Irish themselves did not voice it more, was it to securely assimilate into the other parts of white culture, they have done just that, not sure if it is secure or not, but sometimes you wont know if someone is Irish unless you ask them. The Irish language was nearly extinct and was only spoken in very remote parts of the country for a long period of time. Quite interesting piece of history here I just had to share with all of you. Whereas once the Irish people mainly spoke Irish (Gaelic/Gaeilge) the indigenous language English is now the primary language. Murphy 2. That is the most ridiculous thing Ive ever heard. Slavery was not only their chief concern but certainly serves as a great example. The Celts arrived on the island about the year 500 B.C. So not forgotten but definitely no true or meaningful comparison. At least they were able to join the white establishment due to their color. And so on.., http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-stolen-village-des-ekin/1113681635?ean=9781847174314#productInfoTabs. I can say MacIntyre, I dont know what a Mwanajna is, Ill call you Mo. Similar to many of the Americanized name changes coming through Ellis Island. I would ask when was the last time a police-person STOPED you just because you looked the part of something bad O or you go to a nice store and your treated as if your a thief. Many have also used the term to describe Irish immigrants who settled in the West Indies or African countries. Famous Regans include actress Bridget Regan and talk-show host Trish Regan. Politicians and ad writers do it daily. After which they were given the title of white and used as overseers on plantations. many were actually dark skinned black irish. If you cant even get that right!!!! go and read about cromwell in ireland. What about the Irish in the south? Giving in exchange for a debt that was owed to my grandfather, he didnt want anyone to know his family history, did you know there were Germans who were held in prison in N.Orleans La. Certainly not the native potato-eating Catholic tenant farmers with no inheritance. Even today the continent is littered with tribal dictators and warlords and they oppress the people below them and still treat them as slaves. We dont really need to go through all of the gory details, do we? Read Whence the Black Irish of Jamaica by Joseph R Williams. Instead of having to round up the rebellious and often unreliable Irish, the African trade was already packaged and ready for sale. A quick review of Irish history reveals that the island was subject to a number of influxes of foreign people. Famous McDermotts include actors Dylan McDermott and Charlie McDermott. And the extremely vague, tenuous claims as to how blacks may have acquired Irish or Scottish surnames. Oh my, I never heard about this. Did irish people have it worse than blacks??? The turnover would not be that high if whites treated enslaved blacks with even a modicum of kindness. (And, yes, it is a fact that that term, indentured servitude, was mostly just used as a polite term for *slightly* less brutal slavery from which there was actually hope of escape.). Did you assume the Irish always spoke English? How so? African tribes were happy to take slaves during wars, and more than happy to sell them on to arab and european traders. Still, you probably ask your colleague or friend its meaning, and theyre likely to draw a blank. 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Id not opt to tell a modern day slave (servant?) The Romans were very efficient slave masters and after brutally conquering most of Europe and enslaved people to build roads and cities where did gladiators come from? I have been enjoying ancestry. Some aspects of racism are religious others are cultural but in most cases have nothing to do with something as simple as skin color and are definitely not limited to Blacks. While plantation owners certainly did rape and father children by enslaved women, many were absentee owners who only visited their plantations seversl times a year, this is especially true in the Caribbean. 1847 was known as "black 47." The word 'Cearmaid' comes from Old Irish and is probably a combination of 'ciar' (black) and 'madra' (dog), thus meaning a 'black dog.' 23. They said the Irish were treated better. As poor people in the same boat, yes there were relationships, marriages etc. Ireland quickly became the biggest source of human livestock for English merchants. Are the Australian Aborigines to be categorized in this same way although, willingly or unwillingly, they didnt participate in the same slave trade and share no (at least within the past several thousand years) common history with the African Blacks? The main difference is that 600,000 people died in a civil war to end Black slavery, not Irish indentured service. The mortality rate of enslaved Africans during the slave trade was so high that white planters had to replace entire popoulations of 30,000 plus people every 5-7 years. Im curious please describe the discrimination that you face everyday personally? It remains, therefore, a descriptive term used for many purposes, rather than a reference to an actual class of people who may have survived the centuries. Thats a very open minded attitude. The term "black Irish" refers to persons of Irish descent who are . How about the Hellenic slaves in Sparta who were not only slaves but hunted and killed by Spartans in training. I get so tired of hearing about these damn Edomites (ie the Irish) and how they have suffered. As an African American woman with an Irish last name, i knew the Irish were slaves and figured thats how i got my last name. 4. Famous people with the surname OBrien include comedian Conan OBrien, actor Dylan OBrien, and guitarist Pat OBrien. look im from ireland we are not racist people. Reblogged this on familytreegirldotcom and commented: I do know my last name Orr is Scottish Irish but I dont know much else. I am mixed with other things but my maiden name is McClure. Blacks could not blend in to normal society because most Blacks where slaves and most were not educated and they were not accepted in major segments of the country as entirely human. Probably. The Irish were brought over as indentured servants. Evidence of last names in Ireland appears from around the early 900s, making it one of the first places in Europe to adopt hereditary surnames. As an example, the African slave trade was just beginning during this same period. Saying that she believes Ireland - her homeland - is the most enchanting place she has ever been and is passionate about documenting the Emerald Isle. This article is not stretching the truth, it is flat-out lying to you. Yeah, well done Harrison, first bit I read about James IIs proclamation 8 years before he was even born cracked me up! While you certainly do make some points, you also seem to be confusing a few. But nowadays American people ( so called african americans and redneck irish) are all dumbed down, thats why you are fighting to be the worst treated slaves. Aztecs and Mayans were no exception. On December 21, 1988 Jesse Jackson and a group of other black "leaders" officialy declared their support for the term 'African American'. Doyle is one of the most common surnames in County Mayo. Cathal OByrne As I Roved Out: A Book of The North. In response to the comment that the Irish did not lose their culture, language etc is inaccurate. It probably started out as a nickname given to a swarthy or darker-skinned person. The powers that be, have kept a lot of the truth where history covered up because, its all so ugly as well as in humane!!!!!!!! White people can treat their own quite horribly, history tells. A third article The Irish rioted against the draft board in the 19th century, because war is horrible, and they were being forced into something that had nothing to do with.

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